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Visited Mamas and Papas baby and pregnant lady things website. Purchased pairs of reduced-price maternity tights as part of my endless quest to acquire same that do not fall down. Noticed there was reduced-price babywear. Found a couple of nice things, including small fuzzy jacket (brown), small knit hoodie (brown and white striped), and small leggings (grey and teal striped). The brown items are billed as Unisex. The leggings are billed as "boys' leggings". Further exploration of the site revealed that only white and brown/beige things are deemed appropriate for both boy and girl babies. All baby girls' clothes have pink on them somewhere. All other colours belong to boys (though they mostly get blue).

FFS. I don't know why I'm even surprised anymore, but it still gives me the fury.

Purchased "boys' leggings" anyway AND I WILL PUT THEM ON A GIRL IF I HAVE ONE, SEE IF I DON'T.

(See also an excellent rant on the subject on String Revolution.)

Date: 2009-12-10 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unav.livejournal.com
But would you put the girls' leggings on a boy?

Date: 2009-12-10 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Probably, they were red and grey striped AFAIR. I just preferred the teal, as it will go nicely with at least one of the child's ridiculous hats.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Actually, now that I think of it, they were probably the only baby girl item that wasn't pink or pink-decorated. Though maybe red has now been reclassified as a form of pink for rigid gendering purposes?

I probably wouldn't put pastel pink on a boy, but I don't think I'd put pastel pink on anybody.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Hmm, dunno, I'd be more likely to, but it is largely unavailable in babywear (as opposed to Horrid Pastels). I definitely know at least one small boy who has and loves a hot pink jumper.

And I will definitely be clothing the infant in at least one purple garment regardless of gender (purple being, apparently, also GIRL COLOURED) as the awesome Danish Viking Ship Babygro is purple.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamago23.livejournal.com
That was my thought exactly. A lot of people have no problem putting "boy colors" on a girl, but can't wrap their head around the idea of putting "girl colors" on a boy. I used to dress my boys in pink all the time (it's my favorite color) and people always got this O_o expression after they'd comment on my "daughter" and I'd correct them. OMGZ UR GOIN TO GIV THEM TEH GHEY IF U DRESS BOYS IN PINK!

We bought my five-year-old son new sheets for his bed this past weekend, and he expressed an interest in pink sheets (as in saying, "I want pink sheets!") and once we were in the store, my husband immediately pointed out some Transformers sheets and started talking about how cool robots are. Needless to say, my son went with the Transformers instead. I was pretty annoyed by my husband obviously distracting our son from the pink sheets. (I did pick up a set of pink sheets as well though, so he can swap them out if/when he feels like it.)

Date: 2009-12-10 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
I remember you writing about G wanting pink sheets! I thought that was great, and I too am irked on your behalf at your husband distracting him from them.

As I said, I think my reluctance to dress a boy in pastel pink is more to do with the fact that I don't like pastel pink myself. I suspect hot pink would be cute on any infant, except most of the babywear I've seen doesn't come in it. Bright shades in general are very thin on the ground unless you go to the more expensive shops or Scandinavia. Bah.

(I've realized that my colour choices for the proto-infant so far have been based on my/B's colouring, which is positively inviting us to get some kind of recessive genetic freakery and end up with a fair-haired, olive-skinned baby who might actually look good in pastels.)

Date: 2009-12-10 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wonderlanded.livejournal.com
If you and B had a child with that colouring, I think... well I don't know what I think except that it would really erode my faith in Mendel.

I do hear you on the pastels.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Actually, my dad has that colouring, pretty much! You probably didn't notice the fair hair when you met him, what with him being somewhat bald at this stage, but he tans very easily and used to go very blond in the sun when he was blessed with hair. He reminds us of this frequently when old photos come out ("I was as a bronzed God", etc.).

Date: 2009-12-10 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biascut.livejournal.com
This comment forced me to go and look at the parrot picture all over again.

Date: 2009-12-10 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shermarama.livejournal.com
....that just lost me a good five minutes in laughter.

Hey, leedy, you were wearing blue sandals, and blue shorts, and a top with blue round the neck; it's no wonder you have rejected the True Colour Division Way for children! Your mother's casual 70s feminism has caused the future trauma foretold...

Date: 2009-12-10 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unav.livejournal.com
Well it's no wonder, I've heard that her mother worked outside the home. What sort of role model has leedy had, really?

Date: 2009-12-10 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
AND she is clearly wearing trousers!

Also don't forget my blue ... er, what appears to be a shower cap, though they can't have made me wear a shower cap in public, can they?

Date: 2009-12-10 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowballjane.livejournal.com
We got some fabulous bright orange and red things for baby niece in Strasbourg. This!.

Date: 2009-12-10 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristamm.livejournal.com
I HAVE THAT SAME ONE! I can't wait until the baby actually fits into it.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatsagirlgotta.livejournal.com
My mum's a pale freckly blue-eyed red-head and my dad's middling colour wise but tans freakishly fast with dark eyes and hair, and my brother and I were dark-eyed blond/s/es into our 20s who tanned also, but started off milk coloured. Neither of our parents colouring is really like our own, but thankfully none of us suit pastels except my dad so we were always dressed in bright outfits.

Date: 2009-12-10 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollydot.livejournal.com
I have a theory that small children in general love pink, not just girls, but that boys are steered away from it.

Date: 2009-12-10 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazy-hoor.livejournal.com
Purchased "boys' leggings" anyway AND I WILL PUT THEM ON A GIRL IF I HAVE ONE, SEE IF I DON'T.
She'll be SCARRED FOR LIFE!!!!

Date: 2009-12-10 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Traumatized, I'm sure.

Date: 2009-12-10 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shermarama.livejournal.com
See, brown and beige can both be made to go with pastel pink, but teal wouldn't, so clearly they can't be for girls who must always have some pink on hand at all times or else they explode.

Um. I've been meaning to ask this for a while, being as how I first came to your journal after reading your vehement rejection of all things spangly or polka-dotted in the world of swimsuits. But... there's quite a lot of pink in this journal. Indeed you're making me type in pink right now. Your wallpaper has got pastel pink flowers on it. So are the pink problems just with clothes, then?

Date: 2009-12-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Hee! I have actually been known to wear bright or raspberry pink myself. The thing that irks me is more the enforced THIS IS WHAT GIRLS/BOYS WEAR-ness of it, or THIS IS WHAT ALL GIRLS/BOYS LIKE, that GOD FORBID YOU SHOULD PUT BLUE ON A GIRL OR PEOPLE WILL THINK SHE'S A BOY OH NOES, or BOYS CAN'T LIKE PINK IT WILL MAKE THEM INTO GIRLS etc.

I think the spangly polka-dot swimsuit thing was a related issue, actually: if you are going to be A MOTHER then obviously you have to look SWEET and FEMININE and PRETTY and DEMURE (just like little girls!), despite the fact that I just want a functional swimsuit and, er, I think it's fairly obvious that I'm female given that I AM BLOODY PREGNANT.

(And I have been meaning to revamp my journal layout at some stage, as I did this one in my last job when I was very, very bored....)

Date: 2009-12-10 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shermarama.livejournal.com
There's a thing I hadn't thought of - I get mistaken for a bloke in certain circumstances, being over six foot, broad of shoulder and long of stride, sort of thing, and it amuses me, when someone says 'excuse me, this is the ladies' loos' to basically flash my tits at them. I mean, usually just moving any bulky layers of clothing out of the way, once I'm down to a t-shirt it's usually fairly obvious. But, not that I'm likely to be pregnant any time soon, but if I ever am, I hope to get the opportunity to flash my bump.

Date: 2009-12-10 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ultraruby.livejournal.com
I imagine your baby would be into stuff like this:



Ahh, small cute clothes with things the baby can't understand on them. So lovely!

Date: 2009-12-14 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
Awwww, that is fantastic.

Ha! Yes, yes.

Date: 2009-12-11 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tabouli.livejournal.com
I've had a post brewing on this very subject for months. At the Cheap 'n' Nasty (TM) places where I shop for baby clothes, it is, indeed, nigh on impossible to buy gender-neutral clothing. Girls' clothes are pink or purple with butterflies and other sundry cutesy things on them; boys' clothes are blue with trucks. Worse still, IMO, are the REPULSIVE SLOGANS I have witnessed. "Mummy's little angel" "Heartbreaker in training" "If you think I'm cute, you should see my grandma!" BLLEUUUGHHHH.

But! There is hope.

With bathing suits, there is, I discovered after trying on many maternity suits of horror, no need at all to buy specialised stuff. Find something cheap ith a seam or band under the bust, and buy one a couple of sizes up from your usual size. Bathers are easily stretchy enough to go over even a very pregnant belly. I went swimming in a size 14 normal pair of bathers that cost A$30 two days before I gave birth.

As for baby clothes, I realise I am in Australia and therefore not in a position to give you practical suggestions, but I eventually tracked down plenty of non-pastel gender neutral stuff. I got some adorable but stuff from Sozo including these tragically discontinued Koi fish and turtle sets. And I saw all in one suits in lots of bright colours (red, purple, navy, deep green, orange) this very day in Big W (discount chain store). They exist. It just took me a while to find them.

Re: Ha! Yes, yes.

Date: 2009-12-14 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leedy.livejournal.com
OH GOD THE SLOGANS. I spotted two horrifying little suits in Mothercare at the weekend, one for boys with "Daddy Loves Me More Than Football" and one for girls with "Mummy Loves Me More Than Shopping". BLEEEURGHHHH.

I finally managed to find an incredibly plain black Speedo maternity suit that cost pretty much the same as a regular one, so was spared the foofy maternity suit horror, but yeah, I can see that a larger regular one could work as well.
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